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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Guy Cox" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: core facility user charges


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> Here in Australia granting agencies absolutely will not
> pay annual 'subscriptions' to core facilities - they
> insist on paying only for the hours used.  Nevertheless
> most if not all of our major users are on an annual
> subscription basis - which may seem strange.
>
> The point is we offer different annual rates with
> greater discounts per hour according to the amount
> of use (committed).  Since all grant projects will
> have budgeted a number of hours of microscope time
> it is easy for them to pick the appropriate
> subscription level.  It all appears in the accounts
> as payment for hours of microscope time and the
> granting bodies are happy because they can see that
> the user has obtained the most economical rate.
>
>                                         Guy
>
>
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>> Our facility is wanting to move from a pay-per-use for each instrument
>> billing system to a yearly fee system in which users pay a single fee for
>> unlimited use of instruments. The problem is that I can't get accountants
>> here at the University of Minnesota to bend their minds around the 
>> "yearly
>> fee" system. The accountants have been trained according to ISO (Internal
>> Service Organization) accounting protocols that rely upon usage numbers 
>> to
>> obtain the hourly fee. Any deviation from that path seems to fan the
>> flames
>> of fear and terror of granting authorities doing audits.
>>
>> I am aware of two core facilities in the USA that charge according to the
>> "yearly fee" system. The accountants here might be swayed if only they
>> could know that other universities (more than 2) also bill according to a
>> yearly fee system, and, even better, if they knew how this kind of fee is
>> justified.
>>
>> I don't know if I'm stepping on forbidden ground by bringing up what 
>> might
>> be a touchy topic, but I'd sure appreciate knowing either publicly or
>> privately about core facilities that do the "yearly fee" system with
>> comments about how justification is done for the charges. I'd sure
>> appreciate it!
>>
>> Jerry Sedgewick
>> Director, Biomedical Image Processing Lab (BIPL)
>> University of Minnesota
>> 312 Church Street S.E.
>> Minneapolis, MN  55455
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>>
>
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> NSW 2006, Australia
>
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