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Subject:Re: My last reply.
From:Jonathon Jongsma <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Jonathon Jongsma <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:39:21 -0500
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On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 23:01 -0500, Fr. Paul Kammen wrote:
> I realize that 
> baiting a bird is a debatable topic, but my opinion on that is if it is such a bad 
> thing, or harmful to an owl, wouldn't the DNR make a law or regulation that 
> says you can't do this?

Surely you understand that there are behaviors that are harmful and
unethical that can't or won't be made illegal.  For instance, I'm fairly
sure that it is not illegal to chase off an owl by running at it while
waving your arms (provided it is not nesting).  Nevertheless, I think
most people would agree that it wouldn't be particularly ethical
behavior.

> I live in the Twin Cities, and last spring a poster let me know about a great 
> horned owl in a tree. I didn't get good photos, but would like to try again. He 
> was very specific, and I set up my tripod and camera below the tree, and there 
> was no issue. 

I'm sure you can also appreciate that there is a rather large difference
between a report of the common and widespread Great Horned Owl and (for
example) a report of the secretive and rare (for Minnesota) Boreal Owl
that has come farther south into Minnesota for the winter to avoid
starvation from lack of food in its normal breeding range. Reasonable
people can disagree about the correct approach to take in each
situation, but I think it's indisputable that a report of a Boreal Owl
near the twin cities would attract orders of magnitude more telephoto
lenses than a report of a Great Horned Owl.

> Frankly as I said, I'd find it quite frustrating if someone posted about an owl or 
> any bird but didn't want to give out any information on it's location - even if 
> unintended I'd almost take it as a gloat. I see this list as a place to share 
> information, and think the best route is to ask people to use etiquette. 

If somebody politely suggests withholding exact location details out of
a stated concern for the animal's welfare, I'd suggest that you take
that at face value rather than attempting to impugn his motives (e.g.
"gloating", "trying to drum up business", etc). Online communities and
discussions tend to work best when people assume that others mean well.

regards,
jonathon

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