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Dear Mark,
I attached the glass slide to the base of my stage and tried the solution
change again. This time I attempted to setup the optics so that I can video
the effects (DIC). I have uploaded a video here:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24087924/propionate.wmv
A few seconds into the video I switch the perfusion valve to add the 20 mM
propionate - it does cause a small instantaneous jump which is only just
visible. The propionate then washes in and the effect can most clearly be seen
from 23s after which I repeatedly stop and start the solution flow.
I think the phenomenon that is visible under DIC must be the same one
causing the confocal distortions. Does it look like you would expect for
physical movement?
Greetings,
Christof
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:08:25 +0000, Mark Cannell
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>It looks like a movement problem to me…
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>Cheers
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>On 19/03/2013, at 3:02 PM, Christof Schwiening <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Dear Arvydas,
>> The graph is here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24087924/Convallaria%
20slide.jpg
>> I have tried three long working distance objectives (20-63X). I don't have
a
>> good example of the distorted image since it shifts faster than my
resonnant
>> scanner can capture it. However, the ROI plot shows the magnitude of the
>> shifts on the fluorescence signal. We do see the same effect on fixed
samples
>> (which is what the image above shows). I am sure that it is some kind of
>> Schlieren type of effect (refractive index). I think that in areas of high
>> contrast even small optical deviations cause quite marked intensity
changes.....
>> Greetings,
>> Christof
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Arvydas Matiukas
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>>> Hi Christof,
>>>
>>> More quantitative description of your imaging geometry/optics
>>> would be useful. I have been observing similar effects when imaging
>>> a thick sample on
>>> inverted scope using 40x water dipping lens in immersion mode.
>>> When water drop substantially shrinks after 2-3 hrs
>>> focus starts shifting until disappears completely (from the set range).
>>> This corresponds to ultimate refractive index change from 1.333 to 1.0.
>>> The possible solution is to set big enough thickness of z-stack so that
>>> your specimen still fits into imaged focal range (taking into account the
>>> z-range shift due to refractive index change).
>>>
>>> I would like to see your graph and the distorted image. I wonder
>>> if your chemicals are not dissolving well or recrystalizing thus creating
>>> nonhomogenous layers distorting your image. Or maybe some vibrations
>>> create inhomogeneities in the immersion/dipping medium. Do you observe
this
>>> type of distortion with fixed specimens as well?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Arvydas
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>>> Dear All,
>>> I wonder if someone could throw some light on a problem we have been
>> having
>>> for the past few years! We use a Leica SP5 confocal on an upright
>> microscope
>>> with dipping lenses to image pH and calcium-sensitive fluorescent dyes.
>> During
>>> solution changes - most notably the addition and removal of organic
>>> compounds such as propionate (20 mM)- we get severe image distortion
and
>>> changes in focal depth. I attempted to attach a graph of a ROI from a
fixed
>>> sealed specimen which we have imaged during solution changes with 3
>>> different objectives - however, the ListServer rejected every image
format I
>>> tried...I can send it by email if anyone is interested. It is impossible that
the
>>> propionate is actually getting to the specimen itself - I suspect it must be
as
>> a
>>> result of refractive index changes.
>>>
>>> My questions are: How do others image small structures (i.e. dendritic
spines
>>> or NMJs) during changes of solution with differing refractive indicies? Is
there
>>> some well know trick? Or, am I using the wrong objectives? Does wide
field
>>> microscopy have the same problems?
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Christof
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