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Garrett Kuchta <[log in to unmask]>
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UofMN CSS Web Development <[log in to unmask]>
Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:39:25 -0500
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I used Symfony extensively in my contractor days, and I'm fairly
partial.  It doesn't care much about your database schema, so it's
pretty easy to throw it atop a pre-existing model definition -- or a
random set of tables which vaguely resemble a model, if squinting from
a distance.  The learning curve isn't too steep if you've worked with
other MVC frameworks, and there's plenty of documentation.  That said,
I haven't touched it in at least a year, so I don't know what it's up
to these days -- there might be frameworks more suited to the task, or
something lighter weight; personally, I've since moved to Django for
non-work projects, but mostly because my pet problems fit nicely into
python's list comprehensions and lazy evaluations.

That said, I really want to echo what David Naughton said. If you guys
already have tools that you're familiar with, why not use them?  Is
there something in Groovy/Grails that's working against you?  For what
it's worth, every framework's going to be pretty much the same;
there's just varying degrees of hand-holding and "oh yeah, we already
thought of that."



On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Nathaniel Sigrist <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Or you could grab php zend.  Php is already an extensive language with a lot off functions built into it.  Zend has even more functionality if you are really lazy :-)  (all free of course).  Ruby has been growing in popularity and has a large following with plenty of published books.  If you are looking for support check out stackoverflow.com
> Craig Gjerdingen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>I don't know if you're open to it, but I'm pretty partial to Microsoft .Net
>>framework and platform stack.
>>Pretty much everything from the front end to the back end is totally
>>integrated. It is a wonderful developer/designer experience.
>>Additionally, these tools are all available for NO additional cost to you as UMN
>>staff. But you have to ask for Visual Studio 2010 professional edition from
>>[log in to unmask] because they don't list it on
>>https://download.software.umn.edu/ any more (now it is in netfiles)
>>In particular the combination of the powerful Visual Studio 2010 IDE, .Net
>>framework 4.0, Entity Framework or NHibernate, and ASP.Net MVC 2 are a
>>formidable offering. Again all of this has NO added cost to you. It's all free.
>>There are a ton of IOC and ORM offerings in the .Net space so you can easily
>>choose one to your liking.
>>MEF and Unity (dependency injector) are fairly cool too.
>>Support, Training, Developer Communities, Books, knowledgeable consultants,
>>campus expertise, 3rd party vendors are all available.
>>One configuration you might want to look at to get started (where someone
>>else has done the work of picking the pieces for you) would be to look at
>>http://SharpArchitecture.net/ which is stored on GitHub at
>>Before you choose Ruby/Rails I suggest you investigate deployment difficulties.