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Kristofer Layon <[log in to unmask]>
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Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:37:57 -0600
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Thanks for your input -- it's not too late for great web wisdom from  
you, Zack.  =)

And to refer to my metaphor again, Zach's argument meshes with that  
very well.  Can you imagine if U of M scholars only published their  
research in print journals that were only read by by people on  
campus?  That limitation would be ridiculous.  So it wouldn't make any  
sense for online content either.

The entire point of any university is to lead in the exchange of  
information within and across *worldwide* communities of scholars,  
researchers, and practitioners.  And this includes us as the  
professionals who are responsible for publishing and sharing content  

I've heard references to university policy being determined for these  
kinds of web services and practices.  I certainly hope that the people  
having such discussions and making such decisions come to our meetings  
and talk to us, the people who are actually doing the university's  
work on the web, so that they understand what they're crafting policy  
about.  If any of you know more about these policy conversations,  
please share our wiki with them or invite them to this mailing list to  
stay in touch.



On Nov 5, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Zachary Johnson wrote:

> I'm jumping into this conversation late, but I felt it was important  
> enough for me to chime in late rather than never.
> Ownership is important to consider, but if a 3rd party outside web  
> service does not have a problematic ownership policy then using that  
> service really should not be an issue.  If using a 3rd party outside  
> web service to host or manage content for a U website is a blanket  
> violation of the U's web policies in all cases, then frankly the  
> policies need to be rewritten.
> There are not internal tools nor open source installable options  
> which can match 3rd party outside web services in many cases.  The  
> university is not staffed or funded in such a way to allow us to  
> reinvent every wheel, nor would it benefit us in most cases to do  
> so.  Having our content available on other networks (Flickr and  
> YouTube strike me as obvious examples) as well as pulled in from  
> those networks onto our U sites exposes our content to additional  
> audiences -- which is a good thing.  (The obvious exception to the  
> rule is private content.)
> Also, in regards to depending on the uptime of the 3rd party  
> service, at SUA we cache Flickr content locally so that we do not  
> depend on Flickr's uptime to display photos on our own website.  We  
> only depend on Flickr for the management of those photos.  Flickr's  
> management tools are far richer than Gallery's or any other open  
> source PHP installable photo gallery app.
> I really do think that for public content that you want to be  
> consumed by as many people as possible that 3rd party networks are  
> often superior choices.
> Kristofer Layon wrote:
>> I'm not sure that using Flickr conflicts with the U's terms --- I  
>> don't think that's true at all.  We use outside web services all of  
>> the time here at the U.  Like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube as 3  
>> examples.
>> And when an external site goes down, we do the same thing we do  
>> when an internal U site goes down: we wait for it to go back  
>> online.  =)
>> Re. ownership, people should be cautious about content on web sites  
>> and terms regarding that, just like you should be in any arena.   
>> But I find it kind of amusing that we are to be so overly cautious  
>> about ownership and the web, yet university scholars work as hard  
>> as they can to get their research articles into print journals ---  
>> and the journals own the copyright to those articles.  To answer  
>> Karoline's technical question, Flickr provides embed codes that  
>> make it pretty easy to include photos and slideshows into any web  
>> page.  Look under "share", I believe.  Here's one example:
>> http://blog.lib.umn.edu/layo0002/marathon/2009/10/october_surprise.html
>> Kris
>> Kristofer D. Layon
>> Director of Web Design & Online Collaboration
>> 612.624.4545  :  [log in to unmask]  :  http://blog.lib.umn.edu/layo0002/work/
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>> Administration
>> University of Minnesota Twin Cities
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>> On Oct 28, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Nate Sigrist wrote:
>>> I do believe that using an outside source like Flickr would  
>>> conflict with the U's terms.  What do you do if their site goes  
>>> down?  Also be cautious of who owns the content.  Some sites take  
>>> ownership of whatever is uploaded.  Have you considered using a  
>>> local PHP install of Gallery? http://gallery.menalto.com/  I'm  
>>> sure there are other options.
>>> *Nathaniel Sigrist*
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>>> Karoline Dehnhard wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> If anyone has linked to Flickr I would be curious to know how. My  
>>>> understanding is that they require that you either link to them  
>>>> using a Flickr photo or Flickr badge (correct me if I am wrong).  
>>>> I also want to know if there are rules about using a Flickr badge  
>>>> on a U of M site since it is advertisement-like. Also, what  
>>>> exactly does "for personal use" mean with regard to Flickr?
>>>> I have many questions about other social media too! This would be  
>>>> a good topic for a presentation.
>>>> Karoline
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