December 2009


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UofMN CSS Web Development <[log in to unmask]>
Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:40:28 -0600
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This might help you to remove yourself from the CSS-DEV list:


Charlot Meyer wrote:
> Could you remove me from your listserve?
> Thanks,
> Charlot Meyer
> Graphic/Web Designer           
> University of Minnesota
> Minnesota Population Center
> 50 Willey Hall
> 225 19th Avenue South
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> phone: 612-626-4216
> On Dec 3, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Tony Thomas wrote:
>> I'm not sure Google has anything this "Big Picture" in mind for Wave. 
>> I think they may be using the Twitter model of development: Build 
>> something kind of cool and let users test it to find their own uses.
>> Right now, it just seems like email+. In other words, email with the 
>> ability to embed some neat widgets.
>> I've tried to use it like chat, and it's almost completely useless 
>> that way.
>> I've used it to manage a small project and it worked very well as a 
>> sophisticated to-do list with hierarchical "conversations" 
>> surrounding each bullet point. (A similar conversation over email 
>> might have spanned 50-60 messages and would be much harder to track.)
>> Anyone who has been in on the Twin Cities wave has seen what happens 
>> when a real critical mass of users is all on a single wave. It's 
>> white noise. One of the advantages of a forum is the ability to 
>> ignore threads you're not interested in. Wave tries to point your 
>> attention to every update.
>> I can see some good collaborative possibilities for small teams. As 
>> it exists now, I don't see it as a new paradigm or protocol to 
>> replace any existing web-based communication.
>> On Dec 3, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Samir Nassar wrote:
>>> On 12/3/09 11:15 AM, Zachary Johnson wrote:
>>>> That's interesting.  I could see a lot of demand for a unified way 
>>>> to create response content on community-based websites.  Especially 
>>>> if you didn't have to create another user login at each one.
>>> We hear the demands for a "unified way to create response content on 
>>> community-based websites" but typically the problem to be solved 
>>> isn't solvable by new and improved technologies, the problems are 
>>> the human process.
>>> No amount of technology is going to really help the problem of 
>>> people not being aware of where they are logged in to, what tool is 
>>> appropriate for any given communication circumstance, or basic 
>>> etiquette. Technology definitely won't inject common sense into people.
>>> If organizations spent half as much money on technology training, 
>>> real-life modeling and drafting and maintaining communications 
>>> (human) standards as they did chasing after newfangled whizbangs and 
>>> doodads we'd be able to spend time on technology that actually 
>>> facilitates solving problems.
>>> That said, Google Wave is a cool doodad, very whizbangy and stuff.
>>> -- 
>>> Samir Nassar
>>> Web Production Assistant
>>> University of Minnesota Extension
>>> Extension Center for Family Development
>>> 405 Coffey Hall
>>> 1420 Eckles Ave
>>> Saint Paul, MN 55108
>>> 612-625-8668
>>> <snassar.vcf>

Karoline Dehnhard
Web Designer
272 Appleby Hall
University of Minnesota