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"John J. Donovan" <[log in to unmask]>
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Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:18:10 -0700
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That statement regarding a "fraction of what Jeol charges" is based on what
several users told me that Jeol quoted them for an upgrade. But I have to
admit, I've never seen the quotes from Jeol.

At 09:47 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:
>JEOL Probe Users Listserver
>Moderator: Ellery Frahm, [log in to unmask],
>Electron Microprobe Lab, University of Minnesota
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>On Aug 30, 2005, at 10:09 PM, John J. Donovan wrote:
>>... The cost is a fraction of what JEOL charges for their upgrade
>>and includes a full implementation all of my advanced algorithms,
>>techniques and modeling software...
>>John J. Donovan, Pres.
>>Probe Software, Inc
>Hi John,
>Thanks for letting us know that you have now ported "Probe for
>Windows" over to 8900s and 8200s -- that is still a rather recent
>announcement, and I'm sure that is news to some folks here.  I know
>your software has some options not available under the JEOL propriety
>software, notably choice of more than a half dozen matrix correction
>routines, multiple options for determining background positions,
>combined conditions for analyses (JEOL has this on 8200s), and
>multiple peak search options with different ways to model the peak
>centroid.  I'm sure there are more...
>I have to question the first half sentence I quoted above, though.
>When last we discussed the costs of switching over to "Probe for
>Windows" in July, the basic software package was roughly $30K with
>more for the PC workstation, EDS/WDS integration, advanced training,
>and mapping (another $15, give or take a few $K).
>As I mentioned on this listserver, we've contracted with JEOL to
>upgrade our workstation to a c8000.  Our total cost of this is about
>$16K.  It would be higher if we didn't have a service contract and
>weren't trading in our old HP workstation, but it would be lower if
>we chose to upgrade to the b2600 -- about $12K.  It seems that a JEOL
>upgrade is less than half of what "Probe for Windows" costs.
>Granted, we will have no real increase in functionality (other than
>bells and whistles like CD and DVD drives, dual monitors, faster data
>processing, etc), like we would with migrating to "Probe for
>Windows"  instead.
>Nevertheless, it seems that claiming PfW's "cost is a fraction of
>what JEOL charges for their upgrade" is just incorrect.  If, though,
>I am missing something and have made a mistake, please feel free to
>correct me.
>Ellery E. Frahm
>Research Scientist/Manager
>Electron Microprobe Laboratory
>University of Minnesota - Twin Cities
>Department of Geology & Geophysics
>Lab Website: