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Mon, 3 May 2010 15:26:22 -0500
UofMN CSS Web Development <[log in to unmask]>
"Aaron J. Zirbes" <[log in to unmask]>
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I was unaware that Git spoke SVN, but that being the case I can get
behind Git as well.  I just mentioned SVN due to DreamWeaver having
built-in support and I know many web developers use it, myself excluded.
I'd rather have a server that speaks Git and SVN as well as it is much
more open.

Does anyone know who is responsible for deciding what services OIT
provides?  Who would we talk to?  Should we send a request to our
Schools IT Director?


Christian Dinger wrote:
> Hi Aaron,
> I couldn't agree more. The ASR web team uses Git (we moved from
> Subversion a few years ago), but we'd love to see a centralized source
> code hosting service from OIT. Not only does it make good security
> sense, but I think it'd also provide a mechanism for
> inter-departmental collaboration. Just think of things like CAH
> authentication code and how hard it is sometimes to track down source
> code and authors to contribute changes/patches.
> I've mentioned this idea a while ago to Patton Fast, who runs the OIA
> server team at OIT and he seemed into it. I think we just have to
> speak up and demonstrate that there is a demand for a service like this.
> I also absolutely agree with Garrett about Git. In a collaborative
> environment, it's superior. Git also has web more capable front-ends
> like GitHub and Gitorious that handle collaboration very elegantly.
> In fact, Gitorious is open-source and free. I think it would be such
> an quick and easy win for OIT to set up an instance of Gitorious. Then
> the we the developers could manage our own repositories and access; it
> would be minimal work for OIT.
> Would you all be into something like this? Patton, are you on this list?
> Chris
> PS - Git also 'talks Subversion' and moving between the two is
> ridiculously simple.
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Aaron J. Zirbes <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>     U of MN Developers,
>     Is there anyone (besides me) out there on the list that feels that a
>     common-good SVN service would be a good idea?  Bad idea?  Not sure?
>     As a web, application and systems developer I feel that I couldn't
>     do my
>     job with out a proper revision control system (RCS).  It gives me a
>     giant UNDO button for all of my projects to any commit point in time.
>     It forces me to comment all my changes.  It gives me the confidence I
>     need to make sweeping changes to a system without the worry of
>     "how do I
>     undo this?"
>     Using SVN has become almost trivial as most development platforms
>     (Adobe
>     Dreamweaver included) support SVN out of the box.
>     We run our own subversion (SVN) server at EnHS for our department's
>     needs, but I'd be willing to guess that most departments do not.
>     I know not all departments are large enough to support their own SVN
>     server, but I feel that any one who isn't using some sort of RCS in
>     their web development is suffering because of it.  It is putting
>     developers and their work at too much risk.  I think that all
>     developers
>     at the U should have access to SVN, but for that to happen, U of MN
>     central would have to set it up as a common-good service.
>     --
>     Aaron
> -- 
> Christian Dinger
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