The bird was in an upright position, still bobbing like a decoy when Erik Bruhnke retrieved it from the water (dead and already stiff with rigor mortis). One eye did appear to bevever so slightly open at the time, but the bird was most definitely dead ;-) Ben Yokel Cotton, MN Sent from my iPhone ---- Join or Leave mou-net:http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives:http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html