Ditto. Wouldn't a satellite phone work? Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Sunny or Steve Slocum <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Minnesota Birds <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:55:43 To: <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Sunny or Steve Slocum <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [mou-net] FW: [mou-net] Golden Eagles harmed by wind turbines If you need cell phones in the BWCA maybe you should stay in Edina. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hendrickson" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [mou-net] FW: [mou-net] Golden Eagles harmed by wind turbines Most cell towers I see today do not have guide lines to hold the tower in a steady position but if this tower in the Boundary Waters does not have guide lines then there will be very little loss on a foggy rainy night in the Boundary Waters but if it the tower does have guide line cables hold the tower up then there will be birds of some numbers killed during migration on foggy rainy nights. I support the tower because the tower will give hikers and campers access to call emergency personnel to aid them if a storm or a medical issue occurs to people while out camping or a lost hiker and ect.. There are many good reasons to have communication such as this in place and yes even in National Parks and Forest and that is to be used as a tool to help people communicate. We live in a different era and communication has changed and keeps changing every year. I suspect the majority of people who work and live near the park support the tower and I would even say a lot of campers and hikers most likely will feel more secure knowing that IF any emergency is needed they are only a few beeps of a cell phone away to get help. I do not think a few blinking red lights will impair the beauty of the Boundary Waters. The group that is suing AT&T is open for shorter towers in the same area so hopefully a compromise will be reached in court. Mike Hendrickson Duluth, Minnesota Website: http://www.mikehendricksonbirding.com Blog: http://colderbythelakebirding.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: Laura Erickson <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 11:13:48 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] FW: [mou-net] Golden Eagles harmed by wind turbines Sadly, the wind power industry has a paid ornithological advocate, Paul Kerlinger, who is willing to stretch the truth quite a bit in his testimony in support of industry. He was also the expert witness for AT&T in their legal case when the Friends of the Boundary Waters took them to court regarding a 450' guyed, lighted cell phone tower (which would actually be 600' above the landscape because it's to be located on a hill) that AT&T wants to build right on the edge of the Boundary Waters, in a dark-sky area where bird kills during foggy/rainy weather would likely be worse than at most towers. I can't really speak to specifics of his testimony until the judge makes a ruling, but it was very depressing to see just how fluid a person's understanding of stellar navigation is when he's paid to say this kind of tower would not kill more than "a few dozen" birds a year. Best, Laura -- On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Chuck Cole <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Cole [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 2:45 PM > To: Eric Harrold > Subject: RE: [mou-net] Golden Eagles harmed by wind turbines > > > Studies done in Florida by the FL Conservation Society and Audubon, etc, > showed >that ANY towers are hazards to migratory birds.... > lighted towers especially. Lights are required aircraft warnings on power >towers, airport towers, windmills, radio and TV towers, > tall buildings, and so on. The type of tower makes little difference. > > Chuck > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Eric >> Harrold >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:59 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [mou-net] Golden Eagles harmed by wind turbines >> >> >> Perhaps the most unfortunate aspect of wind energy is the notion that we >>(society) have to tailor everything to the >> corporate model. In other words, we could utilize residential scale >> turbines >>that pose a much lesser risk to migrating >> birds. But the turbines in the Midwest pose little threat anyway when >> placed in >>big rowcrop ag fields where there is >> little concentrated bird movement. The Appalachian region and similar >>mountainous places are another story... >> >> Eric Harrold >> >> --- On Mon, 6/13/11, linda whyte <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >> From: linda whyte <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: [mou-net] Golden Eagles harmed by wind turbines >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Monday, June 13, 2011, 6:37 PM >> >> >> It is indeed, unfortunate. There seems to be no escaping the >> conclusion that all forms of energy production come at some kind of >> price. We need to minimize the "side-effects" or collateral damages of >> all of them---and start by examining our own energy consumption. >> Linda Whyte >> >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Jim Ryan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> > This is most unfortunate: >> > >> > >>http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=20764&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD >> >> > >> > -- >> > Sincerely, >> > >> > Jim Ryan >> > Saint Paul's Westside >> > ---- >> > One of the first conditions of happiness is that the link between Man >> > and >> > Nature shall not be broken. -* Leo Tolstoy* >> > >> > A well governed appetite is the greater part of liberty. - *Lucius >> > Annaeus >> > Seneca* >> > ---- >> > >> > ---- >> > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html >> > >> >> ---- >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html >> >> ---- >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > ---- > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > -- Laura Erickson Duluth, MN For the love, understanding, and protection of birds There is symbolic as well as actual beauty in the migration of birds. 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