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Kathy,

I have seen several 7 color cartridge printers on the market. Here is an 8
color cartridge printer that may be of interest.  I have used this Epson and
it is quite good. This printer is NOT inexpensive, nor is it inexpensive to
maintain/operate.  Supplies are pricey, but again, the quality is quite
good. I would suggest having a demo done, so several users can assess the
quality on one of their images of choice.  Certainly a core facility would
benefit from a printer such as this if the color volume is higher.
http://www.atlex.com/Epson/epson-printer/epson-stylus-PRO-4000-printer.htm
This web page will also give you an example of what things cost for this
printer.  With the price of printers coming down, there are less expensive
ones that don't have the larger format (if that is of interest).

Cheers!
Russell


Russell G. Higbee, PhD, DVM
Senior Scientist
VaxDesign Corporation
2721 Discovery Dr.
Suite 400
Orlando, FL 32826
407-249-3650


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Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:48 AM
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Subject: Re: color management in publishing

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Hi All!
         Thanks for all of the advice on color management. I have received
many good pieces of wisdom and advice. I do agree with printing out your own
CMYK image for the publisher to compare. And absolutely be aware of the
color profile that you are using...not all are the same.
          Our issue was for the publisher's web page, which will be shown in
RGB (on monitors). We sent them an RGB file, which they converted to CMYK (I
don't know why-we didn't want the print version to be color), then converted
BACK to RGB for the web page. The color was atrocious. This has happened
with two different journals and publishers now. We are still having
discussions, trying to correct this, before the web page is released.
         Thank you for the great discussion on color management.
         Has anyone heard of a printer that will do CMYK AND/OR RGB (7 color
cartridge)?
         Kathy






At 03:11 PM 12/27/04 -0800, you wrote:
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>Dear Kathy,
>Our practice has been to print a high quality image to our
>satisfaction, using either a dye sublimation or an ink jet printer.
>This print is either enclosed with the manuscript or mailed separately
>to the editor, along with files converted to CMYK.  The publisher then
>has a reference.  So far, most journals have generally done a good job
>of matching our CMYK files to the reference print.  A complication in
>conversions to CMYK is that publishers don't say which CMYK they use,
>we we just get it close.  I was able to obtain from the Development
>group some time ago that they regularly calibrate their monitors and
>claim usually get the prints to match in 2 attempts.  I've found that
>if someone insists that their green fluorescence appear yellowish green
>to match what they see with a typical FITC filter, it is more difficult
>to convert to CMYK than if they can accept a green shaded towards blue.
>  As I know you are aware, users need to be alert to which RGB color
>profile Adobe is using, certainly avoiding sRGB, when working with an
>image prior to CMYK conversion.
>
>Regards,
>Glen
>On Dec 21, 2004, at 3:25 PM, Kathy Spencer wrote:
>
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>>Hello!
>>        I have a question regarding publishing of color pictures, both
>>on-line and in print...what has been your experience in getting what
>>you wanted from various publishers?
>>        One of my users just showed me an appalling use of the
>>Photoshop clone stamp by the publisher to erase an arrow that they
>>wanted in a different format. Several parts of the cell in this image
>>were duplicated or triplicated...dendrites suddenly appeared where
>>they were not in the original. Again, this was the publisher, not my
>>user doing this. The issue was corrected, but we felt like they were
>>trying to "pull one over on us".
>>        In addition, we submitted an RGB version of the image
>>electronically for their web page version, and asked them NOT to
>>convert it to CMYK, as the gamut was distinctly less. They did it
>>anyway. When this was pointed out, they tried to correct it, I'm
>>assuming by converting again. Obviously, the re-re-converted image is
>>not as preferred as the original we sent them. For the print version,
>>all images were greyscale, to avoid the conversion issue.
>>        Besides continuing to point out the inconsistencies and not
>>accepting sub-standard publishing, what advice might you have to
>>ensure proper color management? I do have my users proof their images
>>by printer, not by monitor (subtractive vs. additive color). Most
>>journals do not publish their ICC profiles, but should this be
>>necessary for on-line publishing?
>>        Hoping to provoke an interesting discussion. Thanks in advance.
>>        Best wishes for a peaceful holiday season.
>>        Kathy Spencer
>>
>>
>>Kathy Spencer, Ph.D.
>>Scientific Associate
>>The Scripps Research Institute
>>10550 N. Torrey Pines Road
>>ICND 202
>>La Jolla, CA 92037
>>858-784-8437
>Glen MacDonald
>Core for Communication Research
>Virginia Merrill Bloedel Hearing Research Center Box 357923 University
>of Washington Seattle, WA 98195-7923  USA
>(206) 616-4156
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Kathy Spencer, Ph.D.
Scientific Associate
The Scripps Research Institute
10550 N. Torrey Pines Road
ICND 202
La Jolla, CA 92037
858-784-8437

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