Ok John, I'll bite:
It comes from the degeneracy = 2s+1 where s is the total spin angular
momentum.
Having all paired electrons (i.e. as many up electrons as down) gives
s=0 so the degeneracy is 1 = singlet.
If you have two unpaired up electrons the degeneracy is 2*(+1/2 + 1/2)+1 =3
Cheers Mark
>
>Luke Skywalker aside, what really confuses everyone is that none of
these explanations states what is single in "singlet" and triple in
"triplet".
>
>-- John J. Lemasters, MD, PhD
> LOL Mike
>
> But Luke skywalker only existed in a Galaxy far far away and long ago
> even if he did have lots of possibilities in his mitochlorians -or so
> we are told...
>
> Cheers
>
> Ignatius, Mike wrote:
>> Boy, now I am really glad I didn't share my Luke Skywalker, avoid the
>> Dark Side/State analogy, that I use with students. When Luke/Fluors are
>> activated, riled with hate, they are most vulnerable to going to the
>> dark side/state.
>> Yoda: "But beware of the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression,
>> PHOTOTOXICITY, SIGNAL LOSS, the dark side of the Force are they."
>> Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?" Yoda: "No, no, no. Quicker,
>> easier, more seductive, HARDER TO PREVENT IN
>> LIVE CELLS."
>> Anakin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Cannell
>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:03 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Photobleaching mechanism question
>>
>> While I am all for analogies to convey the basis of complicated
>> processes to the ignorant, the analogy must be accurate. But in this
>> case, if a _scientist_ asks about bleaching from the triplet state
>> why does the explanation have to be dumbed down to such an
>> (inaccurate) level? Surely the basis of chemical reactions in terms
>> of electrons and
>>
>> electron pairing should not be so unfamiliar after undergraduate physics
>>
>> and chemistry?
>>
>> A good explanation is given in Encyclopeda Britannica and should be
>> within the grasp of most I think.
>>
>> http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/457736/photochemical-reaction/
>> 277509/Consequences-of-photoexcitation#ref=ref499215
>>
>> Even if you can't remember the simple reason for more rapid oxidation
>> from the excited state (due to singlet oxygen production, I think,
>> but probably other possibilities also exist in complex molecular
>> systems), you point your undergraduates there rather than use
>> horribly inaccurate analogies. If nothing else, a reason to learn
>> this explanation is that it is the basis of life on earth as it
>> explains how light can be harnessed to chemical reactions!
>>
>> Cheers Mark
>> P.S. Tobias, if you wonder why I object to your analogy it is because
>> a power surge does not involve switching off the computer!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>> John,
>>> From the non physicist's point of view the answer could go
>>> something like this. If you have a power surge it can fry your
>>> computer. But if your computer is not plugged into the mains then it
>>> would take a very big power surge indeed to do the damage. A
>>> molecule in the ground state can of course be damaged by free
>>> radical attack but no more or less than other molecules. But once a
>>> molecule has absorbed a photon then it is not in the ground state
>>> any more. To continue my hoaky analogy, a chromophore in light is
>>> like your computer plugged in to the mains.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps. The physicists (and musicians) can go for the
>>> triplets.
>>>
>>> Tobias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone, this question follows on from a helpful discussion that
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> we had about photobleaching back in November. I have recently
>>>> tried to explain to a group of colleagues about the mechanism of
>>>> photobleaching. The answer is based on the transition of molecules
>>>> from the excited singlet state (S1) to the triplet state (T1) which
>>>> is long-lived and therefore more susceptible to bleaching by free
>>>> radicals (my entire discussion of this is below).
>>>>
>>>> My question that arises from my attempted answer is: why are
>>>> excited molecules more susceptible to oxidative attack than ground
>>>> state molecules. I hope I'm not completely mucking up the
>>>> mechanism here. Would the physicists out there please help.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, John.
>>>>
>>>> The original answer: When excited, fluorophores generally
>>>> transition from singlet ground state (S0) to singlet excited state
>>>> (S1). Relaxation from S1 to S0 results in emission of heat and
>>>> light (fluorescence). Lifetime in S1 is in the nano to pico second
>>>> range and allows very little time for the excited molecule to
>>>> interact with
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> free radicals. Periodically, however, an excited molecule will do a
>>>> transition from S1 to the triplet excited state (T1 - the physics
>>>> of this is a bit difficult to understand). T1 is a very long-lived
>>>> state
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> - molecules can remain in T1 for up to the microsecond range - i.e. a
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> thousand to a million times longer than for normal S1 state. It is
>>>> during this long T1 state that molecules are attacked by free
>>>> radicals and destroyed.
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
>>>> (Sent from my cra%#y non-Blackberry electronic device that still
>>>> has wires)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *********************************
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>>>> School of Life Sciences
>>>> Oxford Brookes University
>>>> Oxford, UK
>>>> OX3 0BP
>>>>
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