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Guy,
You bet there would be archival problems, but no worse
(for the most part) than what we currently have with
electronic thesis and dissertations. Many universities
are now storing 400+ very large documents/yr with images,
etc., and some of these institutions also publish
supporting data, i.e., CalTech. However, with that said,
your statement, "And since most Universities have rules
requiring authors to keep data for X years anyway, I can't
see the point" means that the data is already stored...
make it part of the data stream for publications research.
Yes, it will take organization, etc., but why loose or
close data, unless for national security, that at least in
public institutions, and in some private institutions, the
public has already paid for with their hard earned taxes.
If the original data is already stored, and today that
means in many or most cases stored in digital format
(digital images are the only kind I collect these days),
and the authors do not want to allow others access, you
begin to wonder why. I would suggest with public data,
storage and public access should be a requirement before
receiving public funds for research. Already with some
NIH grant programs (not bench research) there is an
external evaluation requirement that must be included in
the budget request... no if ands or buts. For bench
research, maybe accessible data storage should now be a
budget item in the proposal process..
Yes, this diatribe strays somewhat from the original image
manipulation question, but if there is no data to check or
continue using, how could you possibly know if an improper
image analysis had been applied. Even if rules for image
analysis exist, there is no good way to be sure mistakes
were not made... especially when there are questions post
publication and no raw data to check. Cheers!
Larry
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:14:13 +1000
Guy Cox <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Well, I don't know what web space all you good folk have
>available to you but there's no way I have access to
>anywhere enough to post the several gigabytes of images
>which lie behind a typical confocal / multiphoton /
>second harmonic paper. My University web site allows me
>something like 10Mb which wouldn't hold a single Z-stack
>or spectral series. And it will go as soon as I leave
>the University - so much for being archival. My private
>(paid for) site has a lot more but still nowhere near
>enough, and it's only there as long as I pay the bills.
>
> It's all very well to say you can but a terabyte drive
>for however many dollars, but that's just the start.
> There's the power to run it (and replace it every few
>years), there's the backup facility without which it's
>not remotely archival, and most of all there's the
>bandwidth needed to access it. On the scale people are
>talking about that's a huge operation. A moderately
>popular paid site I administer, for example, has 4
>GB/month allowed - and comes close to it every month.
> That's not involving any confocal images! When I put
>the Pawley/Cox Zeiss Diffraction Kit simulation on my
>personal site, and announced it to this list, it reached
>the site quota within 48 hours, and shut the whole thing
>down.
>
> About the only way you could have a sensible archive
>would be to get authors to mail a few DVDs to some sort
>of repository. Then anyone would wanted to check the
>data could pay a search fee and get copies of the disks.
> The search fee would not be cheap, though. And since
>most Universities have rules requiring authors to keep
>data for X years anyway, I can't see the point. In any
>case, anyone who is being selective with the data they
>publish is likely to be selective in what they archive,
>too.
>
>
> Guy
>
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>> That's fine. But that's not how most journals work
>>right now, as far
>> as I know, and we are talking about how it works now.
>> If, five or ten
>> years from now, paper journals are no longer the
>>standard, then the
>> limitations won't exist. As long as they do, however,
>>they do.
>>
>> billo
>>
>
> This is true, however it is not uncommon to see 40-60
>pages supplementary data in Science or Nature papers
>nowadays. Furthermore, as Larry pointed out, nothing
>keeps you today from hosting your 140 pages pdf by
>yourself (your university, your lab...) and link to it in
>your article, as a web link only takes half a line in a
>paper !
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