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Michael Berkowski <[log in to unmask]>
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Maybe this has changed in the last 9mo or so, but when last I checked it
was somewhat difficult to get Windows to speak git, with dependencies on
Cygwin.  That's a large hurdle for console-averse users when you can get
full GUI Subversion integration with TortoiseSVN.

Michael Berkowski
Minitex  / MnLINK Linux Systems Administrator and Programmer
University of Minnesota
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On 5/3/2010 3:26 PM, Aaron J. Zirbes wrote:
> Christian,
> I was unaware that Git spoke SVN, but that being the case I can get
> behind Git as well.  I just mentioned SVN due to DreamWeaver having
> built-in support and I know many web developers use it, myself excluded.
> I'd rather have a server that speaks Git and SVN as well as it is much
> more open.
> Does anyone know who is responsible for deciding what services OIT
> provides?  Who would we talk to?  Should we send a request to our
> Schools IT Director?
> --
> Aaron
> Christian Dinger wrote:
>> Hi Aaron,
>> I couldn't agree more. The ASR web team uses Git (we moved from
>> Subversion a few years ago), but we'd love to see a centralized source
>> code hosting service from OIT. Not only does it make good security
>> sense, but I think it'd also provide a mechanism for
>> inter-departmental collaboration. Just think of things like CAH
>> authentication code and how hard it is sometimes to track down source
>> code and authors to contribute changes/patches.
>> I've mentioned this idea a while ago to Patton Fast, who runs the OIA
>> server team at OIT and he seemed into it. I think we just have to
>> speak up and demonstrate that there is a demand for a service like this.
>> I also absolutely agree with Garrett about Git. In a collaborative
>> environment, it's superior. Git also has web more capable front-ends
>> like GitHub and Gitorious that handle collaboration very elegantly.
>> In fact, Gitorious is open-source and free. I think it would be such
>> an quick and easy win for OIT to set up an instance of Gitorious. Then
>> the we the developers could manage our own repositories and access; it
>> would be minimal work for OIT.
>> Would you all be into something like this? Patton, are you on this list?
>> Chris
>> PS - Git also 'talks Subversion' and moving between the two is
>> ridiculously simple.
>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Aaron J. Zirbes <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>     U of MN Developers,
>>     Is there anyone (besides me) out there on the list that feels that a
>>     common-good SVN service would be a good idea?  Bad idea?  Not sure?
>>     As a web, application and systems developer I feel that I couldn't
>>     do my
>>     job with out a proper revision control system (RCS).  It gives me a
>>     giant UNDO button for all of my projects to any commit point in time.
>>     It forces me to comment all my changes.  It gives me the confidence I
>>     need to make sweeping changes to a system without the worry of
>>     "how do I
>>     undo this?"
>>     Using SVN has become almost trivial as most development platforms
>>     (Adobe
>>     Dreamweaver included) support SVN out of the box.
>>     We run our own subversion (SVN) server at EnHS for our department's
>>     needs, but I'd be willing to guess that most departments do not.
>>     I know not all departments are large enough to support their own SVN
>>     server, but I feel that any one who isn't using some sort of RCS in
>>     their web development is suffering because of it.  It is putting
>>     developers and their work at too much risk.  I think that all
>>     developers
>>     at the U should have access to SVN, but for that to happen, U of MN
>>     central would have to set it up as a common-good service.
>>     --
>>     Aaron
>> -- 
>> Christian Dinger
>> Academic Support Resources
>> University of Minnesota
>> 612-625-6031